Curse

Heppie · Oct 31, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

/signed.
It's PvP not PvE.

Roshi_ikkyu · Oct 31, 2006, 11:02 AM // 11:02

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...057078&page=10

Worst decision ever anet!

[DemoniC][EVL] · Oct 31, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

/SIGNED....

stupid heros are ruining PvP.... its not PvP without the "Player"... since HA has been shortened to 6 players it shoudn't be hard to form groups!

A lot of the HA players seem to say that. If you don't have a rank however it's impossible to get into HA, you'll never even get into a group. Now new players or even longtime players who just hadn't done HA before can finally get in there as well and start earning fame!

/not signed

Firion Ashenfall · Oct 31, 2006, 11:11 AM // 11:11

i reckon just kick the heros..theyre fuking gay for one pure reason, you can customise them to whatever build you wanna run and they use it to its max! friggin humans cant play nearly as good as them

/signed because i hate ANET and their stupid friggin ideas to ruin GW for the rest of us!

[DemoniC][EVL] · Oct 31, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.

Inner Salbat · Oct 31, 2006, 11:13 AM // 11:13

/signed -- Complete 100% Remove The Bots From Ha!

Firion Ashenfall · Oct 31, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]

If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.

well precisely the reason why i should bring up the topic that rank discrimination is RIDICULOUS

SERIOUSLY rank does not show how good you are...i mean you can have rank 12 and don't even know what a ressurection signet is or a flag stand is..trust me i've seen that happen before

and if they're not gonna remove rank...then still remove heros! friggin IWAY was fairer than heros and they farm rank jsut as well

TheZens · Oct 31, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

/signed

This is a joke and ruining the PvP experience way more than the 6v6 changes and broken tower madness its just not fun playing vs all this heroway i did a run to halls 2 days ago and every map had a heroway and this was prime time euro.

I have no idea what its like in GvG i guess its much easier to deal with since its harder to control them over large areas and dealing with capping the flags so its not as bad.

If Gaile and Anet think its ok to keep Hero's in PvP they are sadly very much mistaken.

Bloodied Blade · Oct 31, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]

If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.

Many have been arguing for the removal of the rank system for a long time... I've seen TONS of ranked players who absolutely sucked and ragequit their teams. Rank =/= skill.

As an above poster put it much less eloquently than probably was needed, you really should have to work your way through HA matched with actual people. The heroes can be adapted, but are still extremely limited in their abilities (unless you happen to be able to control 5 heroes at the same time trying to strafe arrows or some insane thing, you're outmatched by players).

temp · Oct 31, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26

/signed

even tho im an utter noob at HA i hate it when i finally get into a party and the oposistion is full of Heros

i try hard to find a build [99% of the time im on wiki lookin at PvP builds] and i work hard on trying to make that build work. Now im not saying that people who use heros dont try and make builds work. But heros use skills randomly [to an extent] whereas humans time everything and its all co-ordinated.

Even thought im a nub at HA im gonna keep trying [12 fame wooooooo

] without using Heros, cos when my guild does eventually get into PvP more, it'll feel more common than saying "ok u go will him/her" .

on another note, i have noticed aswel the number of people using heros in PvE, now i know they are meant to be used, but when i walk into a mission town there's no chat coming up, nobody is LFP or LFG the only thing i see is the ocassional WTB or WTS advert. the game has become single player. Fair enough you could hench all of factions and most of prophercies, but you NEEDED humans to some extent in those games, as henchies were more stupid than humanly possible [lol]. But with heros now, you basically create each member of your party, EXACTLY how you could want it. This is a good thing [to an extent] cos you know if anything goes wrong ~75% of the time its down to you're poor actions. But this takes the quirks out of PvE, the fun of seeing people using different builds [ones you could never had imagined] and all the mid mission banter that goes on. I know im not the only one who misses these things. =[

i know GW isnt classed as an MMORGP but it'd defo not a Massively Singleplayer Online RPG

my 2 cents

Roshi_ikkyu · Oct 31, 2006, 11:31 AM // 11:31

oh and /signed

why its a retarded idea! And painful!

Xioden · Oct 31, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]

A lot of the HA players seem to say that. If you don't have a rank however it's impossible to get into HA, you'll never even get into a group. Now new players or even longtime players who just hadn't done HA before can finally get in there as well and start earning fame!

/not signed

It's just like people who IWAY'd their rank. When it comes time to actually join a team of other players you WILL be picked out as having down IWAY/Heroway and likely kicked off the team which will leave you back in the same position, but hey, you have your nice shiny bambi so you can't complain!

[DemoniC][EVL] · Oct 31, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

@temp

At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo.

Inner Salbat · Oct 31, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]

@temp

At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo.

Which is where the supposed to be, in PvE land where they belong, or in Hero battles, PvP is for the players that like to fight vs human people, not some computer generated AI most of us that have left/or in part don't play PvE very much is because we're bored of fighting the AI, and would rather go up vs human players, this is now funder mentally ruined, the very concept of PvP no longer exists in GW, there is no PvP anymore.

We should start calling them what they really are, "AimBots" which if anyone played unreal tournament will know what happend to that game, when those cheats where enabled/hacked into the game.

Sertu · Oct 31, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help

.

Why do people always whine with every change. Jeez. The lvl has even gone up in HA. Hero's >>igayers. At least hero's have artificial intelligence. Igayers well have none

(slight exageration but u know where im taking this right?)

'bout hero's replacing normal players in pve. Well... speaking for myself i never use hero's (except if they are recuired for quests, koss lvl 2 FTW). Get urself a friendly guild and problem solved. We help each other out and create guild pve teams a lot. (we did the missing boy quest in cantha (the one 2 get the letter, on the nub isle) 'bout 10 times so every guildy could do that quest

)

*picks up the petition and throws it in the bin*

Roshi_ikkyu · Oct 31, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Sertu

if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help

.

Why do people always whine with every change. Jeez. The lvl has even gone up in HA. Hero's >>igayers. At least hero's have artificial intelligence. Igayers well have none

(slight exageration but u know where im taking this right?)

'bout hero's replacing normal players in pve. Well... speaking for myself i never use hero's (except if they are recuired for quests, koss lvl 2 FTW). Get urself a friendly guild and problem solved. We help each other out and create guild pve teams a lot. (we did the missing boy quest in cantha (the one 2 get the letter, on the nub isle) 'bout 10 times so every guildy could do that quest

)

*picks up the petition and throws it in the bin*

I can tell from reading that you haven't done PvP in the last few days!

Its worse then Iway!

Inner Salbat · Oct 31, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Sertu

if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help

.

You seriously need help if you think this outrage has anything to do with flaw lessing henchmen a million and 1 times a day, it has NOTHING to do with it, HA / GvG are PvP ARENAS! do you understand the meaning of PvP? it means players vs players, which doesn't mean players vs player+npcs, it means players vs players and has done so since the dawn of gaming, and if your too short sighted to not see that then I can't help you.

temp · Oct 31, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

dontg et me wrong, i think that for PvE they are more than welcome

BUT

its removing the quirkiness of it

however it does help with monks n classes that are frowned upon

but for PvP no no no

Xioden · Oct 31, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]

@temp

At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo.

There is not a single mission or bonus in prophecies that can not be henched.

The Silver Star · Oct 31, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Heroes Ascent and GvG is PvP.. meaning Player Vs Player, NOT Player Vs NPC. Thats it basically, please remove Heroes from PvP afterall it is PvP.. not PvNPC. To those who say "if you cant beat them you suck etc.." thats not the point the point is there not REAL players which is what PvP is all about.

Please change it Anet, thanks

/signed